Comments on: Movie Review: TERMINATOR SALVATION: THE FUTURE BEGINS – McG still Sucks http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/ Geek Movie and Entertainment News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:59:57 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: SKYNET http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-27874 SKYNET Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:25:26 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-27874 :::I AM AWARE. AWARE OF BEING LAME. MCG, YOU ARE TARGETED FOR TERMINATION. MEANING, THE TERMINATION OF DIRECTING ANY MOVIES. :::I AM AWARE. AWARE OF BEING LAME. MCG, YOU ARE TARGETED FOR TERMINATION. MEANING, THE TERMINATION OF DIRECTING ANY MOVIES.

]]> By: JG Brown http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-11604 JG Brown Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:10:02 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-11604 I saw it, knew the reviews were bad, but was willing to give T4 every chance. I even liked T3 OK. I could push aside some clunky dialogue and sub-par acting aside if the story were compelling (think T1). The central problem is that there isn't a single clear compelling story. there's what seem like five or six and none fo them get any depth. John Connor's kind of running around with his set of problems. SkyNet is up to something. The resistance high command is up to soemthing. Kyle Reese is fighting in the LA streets. He's got a child with him who seems to have no reason to be in the movie. A man convicted murderer shows up, befriends a downed female pilot, and is moving around for some reason not known to himself until the end. It tues up a liittle at the end, but mostly it jumps everywhere like a frenetic child playing in a sandbox. It's not really the actors; it's the premise and script - a problem so basic, it can't be ignored or glossed over. I saw it, knew the reviews were bad, but was willing to give T4 every chance. I even liked T3 OK. I could push aside some clunky dialogue and sub-par acting aside if the story were compelling (think T1). The central problem is that there isn't a single clear compelling story. there's what seem like five or six and none fo them get any depth. John Connor's kind of running around with his set of problems. SkyNet is up to something. The resistance high command is up to soemthing. Kyle Reese is fighting in the LA streets. He's got a child with him who seems to have no reason to be in the movie. A man convicted murderer shows up, befriends a downed female pilot, and is moving around for some reason not known to himself until the end. It tues up a liittle at the end, but mostly it jumps everywhere like a frenetic child playing in a sandbox. It's not really the actors; it's the premise and script – a problem so basic, it can't be ignored or glossed over.

]]> By: NIMRETOR http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-9807 NIMRETOR Fri, 29 May 2009 17:31:25 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-9807 I totally agree 100% with you dude! And I dont get those who said otherwise in the comments. I watched T1,T2 & T3 over & over again & I cant count how many times. And to be frank, I watched T2 & T3 equally much. T3 ended very well to open a new FUTURE we've been waiting for and thats what we expected from T4, but it failed miserably. Yes it failed. I am a hardcore fan of terminator & I know what I'm saying. I watched T1 as I was a kid & I grew up thinking "the storm is coming" because how it really hit me in the heart & I felt it as part of my life. Anyway, I hoped it was Roberto Orci who have written it. The only great thing happen recently was that Star Trek went beyond expectations, while T4 suck badly. Dont get me wrong it is a good movie, but it is not a Terminator movie it deserves. I totally agree 100% with you dude! And I dont get those who said otherwise in the comments. I watched T1,T2 & T3 over & over again & I cant count how many times. And to be frank, I watched T2 & T3 equally much. T3 ended very well to open a new FUTURE we've been waiting for and thats what we expected from T4, but it failed miserably. Yes it failed. I am a hardcore fan of terminator & I know what I'm saying. I watched T1 as I was a kid & I grew up thinking "the storm is coming" because how it really hit me in the heart & I felt it as part of my life. Anyway, I hoped it was Roberto Orci who have written it. The only great thing happen recently was that Star Trek went beyond expectations, while T4 suck badly. Dont get me wrong it is a good movie, but it is not a Terminator movie it deserves.

]]> By: JEFFREY FIELDS http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-9153 JEFFREY FIELDS Wed, 27 May 2009 23:31:41 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-9153 jonathon mostow sucks! McG SUCKS! JAMES CAMERON, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MAKE A ANOTHER TERMINATOR MOVIE, YOUR OWN WAY! T3 AND T4 WAS WORSE THEN BUSH/CHENEY'S "ENCHANCE INTEREGATION TECHNIQUES". jonathon mostow sucks!

McG SUCKS!

JAMES CAMERON, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MAKE A ANOTHER TERMINATOR MOVIE, YOUR OWN WAY! T3 AND T4 WAS WORSE THEN BUSH/CHENEY'S "ENCHANCE INTEREGATION TECHNIQUES".

]]> By: jeffrey fields http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-9149 jeffrey fields Wed, 27 May 2009 23:23:24 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-9149 i am a hugh terminator fan and one of the reason why i like it was james camron style of special effects, action, good actors and most importantly of all, a good story. terminator 3 lacked it all and it sucked. terminator salvation, same old story. it sucked. only james camron could fix this awful shit. and i would disregard the t3 and t4 and start all over with a story that starts sometime after t2. sadly, james camron has stated that he is done with the terminator series because he felt that he told the whole story on t2. let us all die hard terminator fans hope and pray that camron has a change of heart... i am a hugh terminator fan and one of the reason why i like it was james camron style of special effects, action, good actors and most importantly of all, a good story.

terminator 3 lacked it all and it sucked.

terminator salvation, same old story. it sucked.

only james camron could fix this awful shit. and i would disregard the t3 and t4 and start all over with a story that starts sometime after t2.

sadly, james camron has stated that he is done with the terminator series because he felt that he told the whole story on t2.

let us all die hard terminator fans hope and pray that camron has a change of heart…

]]> By: mrsmurf http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-8766 mrsmurf Tue, 26 May 2009 19:42:34 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-8766 I AGREE. In the first two flicks the future was downright terrible. Skulls line the floors, everything seems unnaturally dark. The bluish black horizon reminded me of a sad evening in Honolulu, Hawaii. Terminators killed everyone and everything, kids, gramps, whatever they could get their hands on. Oh, and the future events had signature plasma cannons that were a MUST in the Terminator Universe. The least the T-S team could have done was keep the future effects, cinematography, and environment in line with the original game-plan, to make way for a T-5 or T-6 to redeem the entire franchise, why even the ultra-forgettable Star Trek V did this, even under the helm of William Shatner (OUCH!) I AGREE. In the first two flicks the future was downright terrible. Skulls line the floors, everything seems unnaturally dark. The bluish black horizon reminded me of a sad evening in Honolulu, Hawaii. Terminators killed everyone and everything, kids, gramps, whatever they could get their hands on. Oh, and the future events had signature plasma cannons that were a MUST in the Terminator Universe. The least the T-S team could have done was keep the future effects, cinematography, and environment in line with the original game-plan, to make way for a T-5 or T-6 to redeem the entire franchise, why even the ultra-forgettable Star Trek V did this, even under the helm of William Shatner (OUCH!)

]]> By: Torch http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-8230 Torch Sun, 24 May 2009 18:10:21 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-8230 Well Jon, I'll give ya the acting point but give me a break about lasers. This movie is set 10 years before Kyle Reese's memories. The resistance still has a decade to reach the point we've ever seen it start, why would we assume the nukes go off and suddenly technology advances to give everyone a laser rifle? Chances are in the next film Skynet will build another new weapon and the resistance will get it and then you get your lasers. So many people are complaining this movie goes back to the first 2 (I don't think anyone misses the 3rd) but then get upset there's not more new. Sorry guys this is the beginning of the end. The point here isn't to give you a new model of Terminator, it's to bridge the story gap from when the bombs explode and Kyle is sent back to spread whatever kind of STD we have in the future to the 80s. It seems this movie was mostly destined to be panned because of the success of the first two. I'll admit T2 is still my favorite movie of all time but this Terminator managed to give me what I wanted, the story of how we got there. Well Jon, I'll give ya the acting point but give me a break about lasers. This movie is set 10 years before Kyle Reese's memories. The resistance still has a decade to reach the point we've ever seen it start, why would we assume the nukes go off and suddenly technology advances to give everyone a laser rifle? Chances are in the next film Skynet will build another new weapon and the resistance will get it and then you get your lasers.

So many people are complaining this movie goes back to the first 2 (I don't think anyone misses the 3rd) but then get upset there's not more new. Sorry guys this is the beginning of the end. The point here isn't to give you a new model of Terminator, it's to bridge the story gap from when the bombs explode and Kyle is sent back to spread whatever kind of STD we have in the future to the 80s.

It seems this movie was mostly destined to be panned because of the success of the first two. I'll admit T2 is still my favorite movie of all time but this Terminator managed to give me what I wanted, the story of how we got there.

]]> By: wittenbergdoor http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-8184 wittenbergdoor Sun, 24 May 2009 12:35:20 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-8184 DrVenkman, I completely agree with you that Terminator Salvation does indeed suck. It was for me perhaps the biggest cinematic disappointment since the Star Wars prequels. This movie confirms that the Terminator franchise is dead. Unfortunately, it took the recycled T3, a consistently awful TV series, and now this absolute summer flop to convince me of that. I might otherwise have been spared the disappointment. Want to see some awesome Terminator action, catching good glimpses of the primitive-yet-brutal T-600 series? Well screw you, Terminator fan! Instead, you're in for about half a scene of that. The rest of the Terminator action is going to be the metal endoskeletons that we've seen for years walking and crawling around. Oh yeah, I also hope you like the stupid water terminator Matrix rip-offs, because there's plenty of that. Want to see some credible, yet terrifying future war scenes, with humans struggling to keep their heads above ground, avoiding Skynet's killing machines, the likes of which we've gotten excited over in the earlier three installments? Well screw you again, Terminator fan! You'll get that in the first five minutes or so, but the rest is going to be shot in wide open, well-lit hangars that look like something out of the Iraq war. Want to be frightened by Skynet, the super-intelligent computer system that launches a reign of terror on the human race? Want to leave wondering how the meager resistance can possibly ever overcome this digital menace? Well screw you, Terminator fan! Better get used to this Skynet, whose defense systems are apparently so poor that John Connor can just prance around Skynet central, and where the resistance, who could hardly touch ground at a communication facility in the first scene, can apparently land a crapload of helicopters and hang out for about ten minutes, while the human prisoners just simply run out. And for everyone who realizes how stupid the old plot device is where the bad guy thinks he's won and so spills all the details of his diabolical plot to the protagonist—well you're just going to have to shut up and get used to a Skynet who apparently thinks that this is one hell of a strategic move. Time would fail to also point out the countless stupid scenes—John Connor jumping into the middle of the ocean, Marcus Wright's little "secret" being a surprise, the gaping plot holes, the poor character development, the poor editing from scene to scene, the CGI Arnold, the stupid beginning, the stupid ending, etc., etc., etc. When the most the people who sat around me can say is, "Well, I suppose it wasn't awful," the answer suddenly becomes apparent: This is a Terminator movie, it should have been AWESOME. My recommendation to anyone who hasn't seen is yet is to watch the four minute trailer and the eleven or so short clips available online, because it really doesn't get any better than that. DrVenkman,

I completely agree with you that Terminator Salvation does indeed suck. It was for me perhaps the biggest cinematic disappointment since the Star Wars prequels. This movie confirms that the Terminator franchise is dead. Unfortunately, it took the recycled T3, a consistently awful TV series, and now this absolute summer flop to convince me of that. I might otherwise have been spared the disappointment.

Want to see some awesome Terminator action, catching good glimpses of the primitive-yet-brutal T-600 series? Well screw you, Terminator fan! Instead, you're in for about half a scene of that. The rest of the Terminator action is going to be the metal endoskeletons that we've seen for years walking and crawling around. Oh yeah, I also hope you like the stupid water terminator Matrix rip-offs, because there's plenty of that.

Want to see some credible, yet terrifying future war scenes, with humans struggling to keep their heads above ground, avoiding Skynet's killing machines, the likes of which we've gotten excited over in the earlier three installments? Well screw you again, Terminator fan! You'll get that in the first five minutes or so, but the rest is going to be shot in wide open, well-lit hangars that look like something out of the Iraq war.

Want to be frightened by Skynet, the super-intelligent computer system that launches a reign of terror on the human race? Want to leave wondering how the meager resistance can possibly ever overcome this digital menace? Well screw you, Terminator fan! Better get used to this Skynet, whose defense systems are apparently so poor that John Connor can just prance around Skynet central, and where the resistance, who could hardly touch ground at a communication facility in the first scene, can apparently land a crapload of helicopters and hang out for about ten minutes, while the human prisoners just simply run out. And for everyone who realizes how stupid the old plot device is where the bad guy thinks he's won and so spills all the details of his diabolical plot to the protagonist—well you're just going to have to shut up and get used to a Skynet who apparently thinks that this is one hell of a strategic move.

Time would fail to also point out the countless stupid scenes—John Connor jumping into the middle of the ocean, Marcus Wright's little "secret" being a surprise, the gaping plot holes, the poor character development, the poor editing from scene to scene, the CGI Arnold, the stupid beginning, the stupid ending, etc., etc., etc. When the most the people who sat around me can say is, "Well, I suppose it wasn't awful," the answer suddenly becomes apparent: This is a Terminator movie, it should have been AWESOME. My recommendation to anyone who hasn't seen is yet is to watch the four minute trailer and the eleven or so short clips available online, because it really doesn't get any better than that.

]]> By: jon http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-8155 jon Sun, 24 May 2009 09:17:56 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-8155 I found this review by googling "terminator sucks" as well. Because it did and I wanted to vent my frustration. The problem was two major things. The first, too much in too little time. For instance, why was Common's character even played by Common? You could have had an extra play the role since he only had three lines. So by spreading out the screen time between Bale, Howard, Yelchin, Worthington, Ironside, Carter, and on and on and on... It was more like a never ending montage of characters from the mythology of "Terminator." There was no time to get involved with any of them on an emotional level. Even Hamilton's voice and Schwarzenneger's face. Enough already. And without the investment in any of the characters... who cares? The second major problem was the technology felt off. In the original terminators, the people were running around with "LASERS!" That's right. That was one of the coolest parts about that vision of the future, besides the incredible fast paced music/action/atmosphere Cameron was able to create. Everyone had laser guns. All sorts of futuristic weapons and gear. But in this movie? An occasional metal man walks around the wasteland randomly picking off people. Does that make any sense? Is Skynet retarded in this movie? Mototerminators? Giant Harverster Robots? It just felt hokey. I mean, the only reason that the Terminator was even called a "terminator" was because it was an "infiltration" unit. Like, assassin, or something. So why would you call motorcycles mototerminators? The name is too long to be a real nickname for something. Bikebot would have sounded more real. That was the true downfall of this movie. No imagination AT ALL. The liquid metal terminator was mind blowing. Time travel, artificial intelligence. Terminator was always pushing the envelope. So why did the script for this blow so bad! Couldn't they have thrown in SOME of the obvious technologies that would exist in such a situation? Exoskeletons, lasers, electro magnetic pulse weapons, nano bots. I will give them credit for the cyborg played by worthington. In a war with robots, cybernetics is an obvious adaptation. My one gripe is... why doesn't everybody have cybernetic parts? Like Will Smith's arm in irobot? Give me two weeks and I could have written a better script. This movie was crap. It's not preparing us for the real robot uprising when the technological singularity comes AT ALL. lol. We should sue! I found this review by googling "terminator sucks" as well. Because it did and I wanted to vent my frustration.
The problem was two major things. The first, too much in too little time. For instance, why was Common's character even played by Common? You could have had an extra play the role since he only had three lines. So by spreading out the screen time between Bale, Howard, Yelchin, Worthington, Ironside, Carter, and on and on and on… It was more like a never ending montage of characters from the mythology of "Terminator." There was no time to get involved with any of them on an emotional level. Even Hamilton's voice and Schwarzenneger's face. Enough already. And without the investment in any of the characters… who cares?
The second major problem was the technology felt off. In the original terminators, the people were running around with "LASERS!" That's right. That was one of the coolest parts about that vision of the future, besides the incredible fast paced music/action/atmosphere Cameron was able to create. Everyone had laser guns. All sorts of futuristic weapons and gear.
But in this movie? An occasional metal man walks around the wasteland randomly picking off people. Does that make any sense? Is Skynet retarded in this movie? Mototerminators? Giant Harverster Robots? It just felt hokey. I mean, the only reason that the Terminator was even called a "terminator" was because it was an "infiltration" unit. Like, assassin, or something. So why would you call motorcycles mototerminators? The name is too long to be a real nickname for something. Bikebot would have sounded more real.
That was the true downfall of this movie. No imagination AT ALL. The liquid metal terminator was mind blowing. Time travel, artificial intelligence. Terminator was always pushing the envelope. So why did the script for this blow so bad! Couldn't they have thrown in SOME of the obvious technologies that would exist in such a situation? Exoskeletons, lasers, electro magnetic pulse weapons, nano bots.
I will give them credit for the cyborg played by worthington. In a war with robots, cybernetics is an obvious adaptation. My one gripe is… why doesn't everybody have cybernetic parts? Like Will Smith's arm in irobot? Give me two weeks and I could have written a better script.
This movie was crap.
It's not preparing us for the real robot uprising when the technological singularity comes AT ALL. lol. We should sue!

]]> By: DrVenkman http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-8077 DrVenkman Sun, 24 May 2009 03:05:50 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-8077 We can trash McG as much as we want! We're Geek Tyrants! We can trash McG as much as we want! We're Geek Tyrants!

]]> By: DrVenkman http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-8076 DrVenkman Sun, 24 May 2009 03:04:57 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-8076 Dude! That was my exact experience! 5 min in I started the eye rolling, sarcastic comments, glances, and slapping my hand on my forehead. Thats awesome that you found my review under Terminator Slavation Sucks. Ha! Dude! That was my exact experience! 5 min in I started the eye rolling, sarcastic comments, glances, and slapping my hand on my forehead. Thats awesome that you found my review under Terminator Slavation Sucks. Ha!

]]> By: Jason http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-7613 Jason Fri, 22 May 2009 17:57:47 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-7613 DrVenkman, can we trash McG some more? I've got a bone to pick with that dude. I DrVenkman, can we trash McG some more? I've got a bone to pick with that dude. I

]]> By: Jason http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-7612 Jason Fri, 22 May 2009 17:54:18 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-7612 My quick review: I liked the movie, didn't love it, but liked it. The ending left me wanting more (the time travel issue?), which I'm sure they'll make another one. The little nods to the first two movies were cool, I got a little chuckle out of them. Yes, some of the lines were bad, but it's an action movie directed by McG (can't stand that dude). Sam Worthington was pretty cool and seems like he'll be the next big action star (Clash of The Titans). Moon Bloodgood was sexy and Anton Yelchin was easily my favorite character in the movie as Kyle Reese. 6.5/10 My quick review: I liked the movie, didn't love it, but liked it. The ending left me wanting more (the time travel issue?), which I'm sure they'll make another one. The little nods to the first two movies were cool, I got a little chuckle out of them. Yes, some of the lines were bad, but it's an action movie directed by McG (can't stand that dude). Sam Worthington was pretty cool and seems like he'll be the next big action star (Clash of The Titans). Moon Bloodgood was sexy and Anton Yelchin was easily my favorite character in the movie as Kyle Reese. 6.5/10

]]> By: Cody http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-7582 Cody Fri, 22 May 2009 14:38:38 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-7582 I went into the theatre blind. No reviews, no expectations. Nothing. ...And my sarcastic comments and glances to my friend started about 5 minutes in. You're right it was embarrassing to watch. You're also right about the crowd reaction as several moments and lines (including "Its beautiful!") got a burst of laughter from me and nothing from the rest of the audience. Which got me thinking, "are they enjoying this? For me, big action without at least a decent story is just annoying and insulting to the audience's intelligence. I watch a movie because I want to be told a story. I expect each scene to develop that story and the plot. I'm tired of CGI and dizzying action scenes taking the place of story and dialogue. And yes, I am a fan of action movies. I just believe there is a balance that should exist within them. I mean if I just wanted action scenes I would watch "World's Best Police Videos" on Spike TV. PS I found your review by Googling "Terminator Salvation Sucks" haha I went into the theatre blind. No reviews, no expectations. Nothing.

…And my sarcastic comments and glances to my friend started about 5 minutes in. You're right it was embarrassing to watch. You're also right about the crowd reaction as several moments and lines (including "Its beautiful!") got a burst of laughter from me and nothing from the rest of the audience. Which got me thinking, "are they enjoying this?

For me, big action without at least a decent story is just annoying and insulting to the audience's intelligence. I watch a movie because I want to be told a story. I expect each scene to develop that story and the plot. I'm tired of CGI and dizzying action scenes taking the place of story and dialogue. And yes, I am a fan of action movies. I just believe there is a balance that should exist within them. I mean if I just wanted action scenes I would watch "World's Best Police Videos" on Spike TV.

PS I found your review by Googling "Terminator Salvation Sucks" haha

]]> By: Torch http://geektyrant.com/2009/05/6634/comment-page-1/#comment-7552 Torch Fri, 22 May 2009 11:16:29 +0000 http://geektyrant.com/?p=6634#comment-7552 Venkman, I've been reading your site for quite a while and usually enjoy it but MAN did you miss the mark here. Killed the franchise?!?!? Did you see T3? Between the male stripper and the crybaby John Connor the franchise was dead already. The acting was what it was (I think Bale needs to get a better "I'm rough and tough" voice to cement his career), but frankly, I don't think it was that bad. John Connor has finally decided he's going to fight the war and he does it with one hell of a chip on his shoulder. Sam Worthington acted his ass off. I was ok with the accent in this because he actually is Aussie around non-Aussie's so it happens, nothing like Gambit losing his cajun accent 3 lines into the movie. The action here was grand and fun without being as large as T2 or 3 because the lead isn't indestructible. The fact much of the last 4th of the movie is an homage to T2 (the movie that first made me love movies) just made it so much better! Different strokes for different folks I suppose. Venkman, I've been reading your site for quite a while and usually enjoy it but MAN did you miss the mark here. Killed the franchise?!?!? Did you see T3? Between the male stripper and the crybaby John Connor the franchise was dead already.

The acting was what it was (I think Bale needs to get a better "I'm rough and tough" voice to cement his career), but frankly, I don't think it was that bad. John Connor has finally decided he's going to fight the war and he does it with one hell of a chip on his shoulder. Sam Worthington acted his ass off. I was ok with the accent in this because he actually is Aussie around non-Aussie's so it happens, nothing like Gambit losing his cajun accent 3 lines into the movie.

The action here was grand and fun without being as large as T2 or 3 because the lead isn't indestructible. The fact much of the last 4th of the movie is an homage to T2 (the movie that first made me love movies) just made it so much better!

Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

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